Q: Why do you deny being to the world?
M: I do not negate the world. I see it as appearing in
consciousness, which is the totality of the known in the immensity of the
unknown.
What begins and ends is mere appearance. The world can be
said to appear, but not to be. The appearance may last very long on some scale
of time, and be very short on another, but ultimately it comes to the same.
Whatever is time bound is momentary and has no reality.
Q: Surely, you see the actual world as it surrounds you. You
seem to behave quite normally!
M: That is how it appears to you. What in your case occupies
the entire field of consciousness, is a mere speck in mine. The world lasts,
but for a moment. It is your memory that makes you think that the world
continues. Myself, I don't live by memory. I see the world as it is, a
momentary appearance in consciousness.
Q: In your consciousness?
M: All idea of ‘me’ and ‘mine’, even of ‘I am’ is in
consciousness.
Q: Is then your ‘absolute being’ (paramakash)
unconsciousness?
M: The idea of unconsciousness exists in consciousness only.
Q: Then, how do you know you are in the supreme state?
M: Because I am in it. It is the only natural state.
Q: Can you describe it?
M: Only by negation, as uncaused, independent, unrelated,
undivided, uncomposed, unshakable, unquestionable, unreachable by effort. Every
positive definition is from memory and, therefore, inapplicable. And yet my
state is supremely actual and, therefore, possible, realizable, attainable.
Q: Are you not immersed timelessly in an abstraction?
M: Abstraction is mental and verbal and disappears in sleep,
or swoon; it reappears in time; I am in my own state (swarupa) timelessly in
the now. Past and future are in mind only -- I am now.
Q: The world too is now.
M: Which world?
Q: The world around us.
M: It is your world you have in mind, not mine. What do you
know of me, when even my talk with you is in your world only? You have no
reason to believe that my world is identical with yours. My world is real,
true, as it is perceived, while yours appears and disappears, according to the
state of your mind. Your world is something alien, and you are afraid of it. My
world is myself. I am at home.
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